I've had a link the the Juaneno Band of Mission Indians on this site for a while now, but nothing for the Gabrielino (Tongva) Tribe. I wanted to correct this, but it seems that (in a classic case of modern tribal politics), nobody can agree on which website is official. Here are three to choose from:- Gabrielino/Tongva Tribe
- Gabrielino/Tongva Tribal Council
- Gabrieleno/Tongva Tribal Council of San Gabriel
I guess once they figure out who the real Tongva leadership is, I'll add a more permanant link to the more permanant website.
On Sept.. 30, 2007, from 11 am to 4 pm, a Tongva group will sponsor a free Native American arts and crafts festival, "The Gathering at Kuruvungna Springs." The springs site (and event) is located on the grounds of University High School 1439 S. Barrington Avenue, West Los Angeles. The event will include traditional music, dancing and foods, traditional children's games and crafts, Indian tortilla making, and basketweaving and weaving demonstrations. There will also be tours of the Kuruvungna Village site and springs, and a cultural display of Tongva history and artifacts.
Today's photo (above right) shows a reproduction of a kich (home) as used by the local Indians.
Historically there was never one Tongva tribe. We have always been family communities or communities allied together by kinship, trade and ceremonial alliances. Even the name Tongva is a new name that descendants of the indigenous people of the Los angeles basin use today. There is no group, family or community today that is THE tribe!
ReplyDeleteThat is wrong Mr Torrez .
DeleteYou of all people should know the truth . It was your friend Cindi Alvitre and the Dorames who abused our tribe and who created splinter groups of Non - Gabrieleno Indians . Tell it like it is .
It all started when they used our tribe and my father in order to save the springs at University High in Santa Monica . My father Ernie Salas was the one person who received that symbolic key to the springs for his effort in saving it from distruction ( development)
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Some few years later after (1992) Cindi Alvitre infiltrating the term " Tongva " on our Nation - tribe she made this statement in 2008
DeleteThe name Tongva is what we've chosen to use in the present," which means "people of the Earth," Alvitre said in her office one day, early last fall semester. "There was no one tribe called 'Tongva.'"
http://digmagonline.com/dig-magazine/1405/culture/is-csulb-really-on-an-indian-burial-ground?rq=Tongva%20
WIKIPEDIA::
The name Tongva has become increasingly preferred as a self-designation since the 1990s,[citation needed] although either "Gabrieleño" or "Gabrielino" is part of every official name.[19] The Gabrieleno/Tongva Tribal Council of San Gabriel on their website say that Tongva means "people of the earth."[20]
Cindi Alvitre was the one person who chose this term Tongva not the true descendants . She was able to push the name and change academics only because she was a Long Beach state professor .
TRUTH ABOUT CINDI ALVITRE
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HOW TONGVA WAS ORIGINATED
Deletehttp://gabrielenoindians.org/Site/KIZH_NOT_TONGVA_files/Kizh%20not%20Tongva_4-06-16.pdf
There is No deifinition for the made up term Tongva .
DeleteThere was No tribe called Tongva .
The term Tongva was misinterpreted when historian C. Hart Merriam recorded Mrs Rosmerye Narcissa Higuera at Bakersfield . He had been recording Native American Indians at the time (1903) and which at the time he had interest in the Gabrieleños. While recording Mrs. Higuera he had asked her a couple a questions . He asked her from what area and village she descended from. Mrs Higuera gave C. Hart Merriam the name of her village which was st San Gabriel and is where the San Gabriel Mission today which was formally known as " Toviscangna ". But because C.Hart Merriam could not pronounce it he abbreviated the name Tongva - Tonvey. In 1992 Cindi Alvitre utilized this word and taught it through her academics class at Cal State Long Beach . This term has now spread like cancer killing our true history .
Hugo Reid's Notes:
DeleteIn order to make the content of Reid's letters a little more meaningful I have added some end notes (indicated in the text by super numbers) which the reader may find of interest. Reid uses a large number of words in the Gabrielino language, and these are frequently compared in the notes to the version of Gabrielino which was recorded by C. Hart Merriam from a Gabrielino woman, Mrs. J. V. Rosemyre, at Bakersfield, California, in October, 1903. . Mrs. Rosemyre was born at San Gabriel, probably just about the time of Hugo Reid's death. Her mother was a Gabrielino and her father
a Serrano. Merriam's method of phonetic recording is now considered quite inadequate, but its use of diacritical marks follows that in Webster's dictionary and one can at least reconstruct the approximate original of what the words sounded like to him.
I won't pretend to be an expert on local indigenous peoples. Although I have read a fair bit and spoken with a number of experts, there is much that I still find confusing. And clearly, the Indian people themselves have trouble agreeing on much even among themselves these days.
ReplyDeleteBut I know you're right about this. The lumping together of communities into "tribes" by geography or language is a system the Missions imposed.
Of course, those who want Federal tribal recognition today have a vested interest in keeping that system (if not the Missions' assigned names) intact.
The tribes you see on the Wikipedia website
DeleteAre all made up of Non- Gabrieleno natives .
In the 1990s These individuals utilized the true tribe who still exist today the Kizh (Keech) Nation Gabrieleño Band of Mission Indians . These so called Tongvas used the true tribe in order to save a sacred site in Santa Monica then after using us the booted us
Go to this link then go to page 96
DeleteHere you will see Fr. Serra Book of confirmation 1778. It's in Spanish however look where it says San Gabriel de Los temblores ( San Gabriel of the Earthquake ) , right next to it it will give you the name of what the area or village was formally known as " toviscanga " . This is the village name C. Hart Merriam misenterpred in 1903.
http://www.cagenweb.com/monterey/books/The%20History%20of%20Mission%20San%20Gabriel.pdf
Hope this help all of you know the truth for more info contact me any time .
These 3 groups you have listed here are all Non-Indian splinter groups ( No Gabrieleno blood) utilizing our Name for profit. I have every geneogical professional documentation on all of them. I had to do this to weed them out !!! I'm glad to share anything you need. Thank you
DeleteGabrielino/Tongva Tribe
Gabrielino/Tongva Tribal Council
Gabrieleno/Tongva Tribal Council of San Gabriel
I live in Costa Mesa and walk on the bluff area of Fairview Park that overlooks the Santa Ana River. The city has posted a sign that refers to the Tongva people that lived on the bluff area 1,000 years ago. I wonder if anyone has more information about the Tongva people that lived in this area?
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DeleteThere is No info on the Tongva living in Costa Mesa only because there was No such tribe. However there is proof of the Kizh ( Keech) people
The village at Fairview Park was called Lukup.
ReplyDeleteBy the way " We are still here"
DeleteWe are the direct Gabrieleño who later lived with B.I. Agent B.D Wilson Patton family in San Marino . Nephew , nieces and God children of " The Victoria " Bartolomea" Reid spouse of Hugo Reid .
You left out the true tribe which is the Kizh Gabrieleno tribe. Tongva does not exist. Ask for geneology to find the real native line. None o the Tongva can produce native blood.
ReplyDeleteCheck out the website: Gabrielenoindians.org
Kizh is a corruption of the Spanish name Cristianos = Kisianos
ReplyDeleteNo Kichereno is a corruption of the native word Kizh by the Spanish.
ReplyDeleteAndy Salsa is an uneducated moron who receives all his knowledge of his "tribe" from his equally uneducated moronic leader Gary Stinkel.
ReplyDeletePeople like to mention from time to time, (especially during periods of “inter-American high-drama”, such as with the presently divided state of the country between Trump and non-Trump supporters, just for example) that they wonder how this country would have evolved had it not been for European settlers in the Americas (all of them), particularly in the region that would become the United States, as they seemingly fantasize while pondering this about some kind of a peaceful utopia on a beautiful landscape where everyone is walking around smoking a peace pipe and passing it along and I guess the story book ends in “...and they all lived happily ever after.” This is my cue to slap some sense back into whoever was next in this never-ending line of any of my friends, colleagues, or acquaintances that I have had to hear this from with periodic regularity, based on my own individual personal, cultural history spanning just at about a half-century’s mark.
ReplyDeleteReality - tribal warfare was rampant in North America at the time of European arrivals who would later settle this country. In fact, it wasn’t long before those very Europeans were approached by the locally native people, as early as the time when they only existed in small numbers on the beaches of the East Coast, so in other words, just after stepping off the boats. The native American people knew that the white men had sophisticated weapons that outmatched theirs, clearly, and they seized the opportunity to form alliances with the white people against waring tribes. Their strategy worked and the newly partnered white and native people successfully destroyed the rival tribes, and by now you start recognizing the story since the celebratory feast after defeating the enemy tribe is of course what later became known as Thanksgiving dinner.
It’s still one of today’s most celebrated holidays in the U.S. which is why it boggles my mind every time I hear about this fantasy land about peaceful Indians and “how much better off it would’ve been…” It was never going to be like that! It had become an ugly scene of one tribe constantly being attacked by another, burned to the ground, the men murdered, and the women and children enslaved! There was no peace in this land, not once the number of people had reached just a few thousand.
Man is a stubborn, greedy, self-righteous son of a bitch, and he comes in every color and culture. No tribe whatever the fuck you want to call yourselves is exempt from saturation of repugnant assholes, incapable of any real growth within a single life time who are overcome with pride, closed off, the need to be superior or right, and a million other psychological short comings too numerous to list.
So, I would say to my friend, just as I would say to the authors of all of the rude comments collected here between each other on this poor guy’s blog, whose efforts were clearly based solely on attempts that history doesn’t forget roses by any other names who existed then barely by an even thinner thread and exist today, even in their own identity crises and superficially-founded, lofty pride (over a casino, guys? Really? Get over it! Move on!), as let the records show that, these very individuals are presently living proof the above bullshit will continue until overall h.sapien extinction (our man-made God knows that day can’t and will come soon enough!), to shut up! Because you sound ridiculous when you speak like that!
You see, my friends and I are evolved and secure enough with ourselves to be able to address each other in this way, when it’s warranted, without being personally offended, and never would it result in battle, but rather, appreciation, if not laughter.
It’s seems the only person bitching about anything is you!! You must be one of the European pretendians.
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